state recognition would be, and that was a major theme that came up, and justice kennedy was very concerned about the 40,000 children that live in families raised, led by same-sex couples. i think it's a really big deal. >> anything from a legal perspective? adoptions? >> i think married covered it. >> so after these decisions, what do you think about whether transgender rights are still a step behind lesbian, gay, and bisexual rights? >> i mean, i think they are behind, but in part because the issues are, in many cases, different. the things that are important are access, nondiscriminatory access to quality healthcare, access to identity documents, and things that don't face same-sex couples necessarily. >> ok, after these two decisions, what do you think about political involvement in our personal lives?